Second Basemen in the Tigers' Farm E-mail
Written by Matt Wallace   
Monday, 26 July 2010 21:42

When Matt Joyce hit a grand slam to break up Max Scherzer's no-hit bid in the sixth, I came upstairs to continue my series of looks at each position in the Tigers' minors. When I discovered Matt Garza finished his no-hit bid, I figured I'd better finish this post so you Tiger fans would have something to read about other than the Tigers getting no-hit. So, I give you the third installment in my series.

Obviously, second base is a little bit of a mess right now in the Tigers’ system. You had Sizemore called up when Inge’s hand was broken and then they had to call up Will Rhymes after Guillen’s trip to the DL. It’s a bit of an all hands on deck situation. As usual, that caused a ripple effect and now the Tigers’ two most advanced farm teams - who were both in last place already - are feeling the sting of the Tigers’ desperation. Those good times, they’re just a rollin’ aren’t they?

Detroit

Will Rhymes

I didn’t include the major leaguers when I did catchers and first basemen, but I’m making an exception for Rhymes because he’s obviously part of the Tigers’ depth considerations since he’s currently on the Tigers. I don’t mean to sell him short, but that’s more a function of the Tigers’ situation than an indicator of his status as a prospect.

He’s certainly hitting better this year than last, but the improvement is owed almost completely to a jump in his batting average from .260 to .304. That’s a big jump, but it’s owed to fewer strikeouts and more hits falling for him than a big jump in his secondary skills. His walk rate is up just 0.5% from last year (7.9 to 8.4) and his isolated power has gone from .094 to .110. He’s been a valuable member of the Hens this year, and improvement is good of course. It’s just that despite hitting more fly balls and a few more line drives, he’s very much the same hitter he’s always been. That's one who's too dependent on batting average and who will be stretched to succeed in the majors.

Toledo

Justin Henry 
Max Leon

Henry was actually called up to the Hens when Scott Sizemore went back to Detroit, but like Rhymes his promotion is about necessity. While you can make an argument Rhymes is being rewarded for a good season (they did choose him over Brent Dlugach), Henry seems to just be going where he’s needed. He’s hitting .260/.371/.355 for the SeaWolves and he’s just not the kind of hitter who can afford to be hitting for that low of an average. Looking on the bright side, he hit well for Toledo (.353/.476/.412 in 22 PA) in limited time so far.

Leon is playing the role of utility man for the Hens, and has actually been a designated hitter more often than anything else. That’s not really where his value is when you consider he’s hitting .241/.318/.353 in his 215 plate appearances. He’s filled the role because players more suited for it are trying to learn new positions.

Erie

Alden Carrithers
Shawn Roof

Carrithers tore through the Florida State League when he was down there, and earned the promotion he received after the end of the FSL’s first half. The success he enjoyed has come to a screeching halt in Erie. He’s amassed 112 plate appearances and has just 17 hits to show for it, leading to an ugly line of .185/.330/.207. You can see he’s still drawing walks (16 BB, 15 K), but he’s hitting with almost no power. I would have thought he was just pounding the ball into the dirt, but he’s actually hitting more fly balls since going to Erie. He must either be getting under them or just lacks the power to make them hurt. Whatever the ball is doing off the bat, it’s not doing damage and while he’s not going to continue to carry a .221 BABIP, there’s clearly work to be put in.

I wouldn’t be all that surprised if Roof was putting in his last season. He’s about to turn 26 and is hitting .227/.271/.287 with just seven walks and 42 strikeouts. He’s also put in the better part of the last two years at the Double A level and this year’s gone worst than the last.

Lakeland

Brandon Douglas
Pat McKenna
Chris Sedon

When the Flying Tigers lost Carrithers after the first half, I was less concerned about them replacing his production than I was about their losing Kody Kaiser or Rawley Bishop. That’s not because those guys were more productive than Carrithers. It was because he was being replaced by Brandon Douglas as the team’s starting second baseman. When Douglas has been healthy, he’s hit and this year has been no different. He doesn’t drive the ball, but he makes contact and legs out a lot of hits. He’s 25, though, so he’s going to have to prove he can continue to do that at higher levels in pretty short order.

McKenna was a 27th round draft pick last season and his ultimate role in the organization was made pretty clear when he was assigned to the GCL for a second time after coming out of college. He’s not hitting like he’s accepting the role that suggests, though. He hit .326/.415/.587 in 55 plate apperances in the GCL and not that he’s getting some time with Lakeland, he’s hitting .444/.524/.611 in his 21 plate appearances there. I doubt it will change his ultimate role, but I bet it’s fun for him while it lasts.

Sedon spent a little time trying to earn a job as the Whitecaps’ second baseman but soon found himself back in the NY-Penn League. The good news for him is he already has almost as many extra base hits this year (2) in 18 plate appearances as he did last year (3) in 155. The bad news is he’s back in the NY-Penn League.

West Michigan

Jimmy Gulliver
Corey Jones

Gulliver was one of the players added to the Whitecap roster when they made their first major overhaul and released Mike Gosse as a part of it. Last year’s 20th round pick hasn’t offered much of a solution, hitting just .240/.290/.302 with eight walks and 28 strikeouts since being given the assignment.

Thankfully, Corey Jones has been a little more opportunistic since taking over as the team’s starting second baseman. He’s run into a bit of a cold spell since starting his time with the Caps on an 8 for 14 tear, but for the Tigers’ 7th round pick from this year’s draft it’s likely his job to lose. On the season, he’s hitting .297/.395/.405 in 45 plate appearances with four walks and eight strikeouts.

Connecticut

Alexander Nunez

Heading into the 2010 season for Connecticut, I would have thought Nunez and Robbins were the team’s two best position prospects. It’s therefore a little disappointing that Robbins has 36 strikeouts and six walks and Nunez has 35 strikeouts and four walks. With that awful ratio, it’s surprising they have been as productive as they have. Nunez less so, but he’s hitting .252/.285/.366 and over a third of his hits have been for extra bases. In terms of batting average and slugging, he’s right at the league average and that’s not bad considering their home park is tough on hitters. He’ll still need a steep improvement in how he handles that strike zone if he’s going to stay relevant as a prospect.

GCL Tigers

Peter Miller

Miller was the Tigers’ 40th round draft pick and is the son of Tigers’ scout, Barney Miller. So I’m not sure if it would have been more appropriate for him to be drafted by the team that employs his dad or by the Marlins (Fish). Yes, that’s an awful joke that many people won’t get but I don’t have a lot to say about him. He’s logged the third most time at second for this squad, but McKenna was promoted and Javier Azcona has more time at third. That leaves on Miller. So you get bad Barney Miller jokes and a mention of the fact that in his first 53 pro plate appearances, Miller is hitting .225/.415/.300. How’s he putting up that enigmatic line? Thirty of his 53 trips to the plate have either been a walk or a strikeout.

Overall Summary

For a while now, the Tigers have been deep at second base compared to what they've had to offer at other positions. I’ve always found that odd given the lack of depth at the position in the minors as a whole, but they have now dug beyond their depth. They just don't have enough after the loss of Placido Polanco, the temporary need to fill in for Carlos Guillen and Scott Sizemore being called on to fill in at third base. I think the best we can hope for is either Carrithers or Douglas will provide enough secondary skills to be a utility man in the next couple years and that they catch a break with either Jones or Nunez developing. Sizemore remains their best shot at being a true major leaguer, though, and if he can get comfortable in his big league skin he’ll prove just that.

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written by stephen grosberg, July 27, 2010
Great post. The #'s speak for themselves with Justin Henry who has finally shown something and Brandon Douglas, who can try SS in a pinch. Some of the others show promise, but need more time. I look forward to the next position, because it's most timely. It might be interesting to predict who has a chance for Sep. this year or next. My candidates would be Douglas and Henry. Once Danny Fields starts to hit, it might be interesting to see if he can play 2B if needed.
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written by Ron1, July 27, 2010
What have Justin Henry's number shown Stephen? He is putting big numbers in 22 at-bats. Big deal! Anyone can put up impressive numbers in 22 at-bats. The Tigers have enough weak hitting middle infielders on the team as is, so hopefully we don't see Henry in the near future. I like Douglas, but time is running out for him as a 25 year old at Lakeland and he is constantly injured.

I am afraid as you go through this series Matt that we will see just how little the Tigers have in position player depth in the system. That's what happens when you waste a draft by focusing on relief pitchers (200smilies/cool.gif or on low-ceiling college players (2010). Not only are we lacking in solid position players, but our trade chips are pretty limited once you get past Turner and Oliver.

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written by jjwilliam, July 28, 2010
Glad Willie Ryhmes has gotten some more opportunities, it didnt seem that way earlier this year on the Hens, with Dlugach Sizemore and Worth in front of him. I really hope he can do well in Detroit. If he can continue to hit, he is fast and a good defensive player. He also seems like he is a hard worker and a great teammate.
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written by stephen grosberg, July 28, 2010
Agreed completely. I also like his BB vs K. If the Tigers wanted Strieby before Sep., I'd rather have Rhymes than Don Kelly. Ron 1, the "position player depth is provided by the following, all of whom I would not trade:Ryan Strieby, Andy Dirks, Rawley Bishop, Bryan Holaday( if Laird had to go DL, I'd bring him up immediately), Brandon Douglas(he belongs at Erie to give Pat Mckenna more playing time), Danny Fields, Wade Gaynor, John Murrian, and P. J. Polk. Other names are Bryan Pounds, Jamie Johnson, Robert Brantly, Ryan Soares, and Corey Jones. CONGRATS for the drafts of 08,09,10!!
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written by stephen grosberg, July 28, 2010
I wouldn't trade them, because they have a GOOD chance to make it, Ron 1, namely Alfredo Figaro, Brayan Villarreal, Adam Wilk, and Charlie Furbush, all of whom the Tigers should try to bring up in Sep.if their stats continue. L, J. Gagnier might make it next year. Believe it, I'm excited. All we need is the performers to continue, Raburn and Boesch to step up as I KNOW they can. The kids will improve and knock in runs.
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written by Ron1, July 28, 2010
Most of the players you listed are not prospects. I'll give you Strieby and Fields, and some others may make it like Bishop or recent draftees (too early to tell). If players like Bryan Pounds and Pat McKenna are playing significant roles in the future, then this team will be in trouble. You say that you are very opposed to trades. What about the package of failed prospects that resulted in Miguel Cabrera? That was a trade where the Tigers went after a player and did not wait for a team to come after them. I don't think I would lose any sleep if players like Wilk, Figaro and pitchers of the similar ilk were traded (as long as it is not for a Don Kelly type). Just look at where our farm system ranks. Its near the bottom and unless they go over slot for some of the later round unsigned picks from this year, it will stay that way.
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written by stephen grosberg, July 29, 2010
No question about Cabrera-excellent point, offset by alot of failed ones. I'd still rather do the Granderson/Jackson type. Isn't Bryan Holaday a top prospect, no more than a year away? I'm putting Jeff Frazier into the list as an alternative to Kelly. That's how he makes it into the discussion.
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written by MattinToledo, July 29, 2010
Rhymes over Sizemore. Frazier over Larish. I think Stephen is consulting for the Tigers.
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written by stephen grosberg, July 29, 2010
Thanks Matt. Maybe they're listening about Bryan Holaday in Sep. if his hitting continues , which I think it will. Let's zero in on Justin Henry(staying on the subject of the post.) Actually Holaday is a continuation of the previous post. With a little luck, the Tigers may end up with good hitting kids. They've got a kids, based on experience not age, backup lineup of Frazier, Rhymes, Worth, Sizemore, Jackson, Raburn, Boesch, Holaday with Strieby, Bishop, Henry waiting in the wings. Stats will continue to dominate. Big time congrats to the Tigers for fast smart action. It's a far cry from earlier in the year for the bigs AND the minors.
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written by stephen grosberg, July 29, 2010
Big time congrats to the Tigers for just promoting Brandon Douglas to Erie. We've all been calling for this one. Is Bryan Holaday ready for Erie(continuation from previous post)?
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written by TigersFan81371, July 30, 2010
Can any of Sizemore's early struggles be linked to the ankle injury he was still probably recovering from? Throw in the hip problem, and it's certainly been a tough season for the kid. I was disappointed when he didn't hit like I thought he would, but I still believe the kid can be a solid contributor in Detroit. At the very least, I would think his time in the bigs this season has been an excellent learning experience for him.
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written by stephen grosberg, July 31, 2010
Whoever doubts the depth at 2B for the Tigers should consider Rhymes, Henry, Douglas, and Sizemore in that order. Danny Worth is needed at SS. Now is the time to appraise fielding and versatility. I like trying different positions. Rhymes wins hands down for an all around ballplayer. The others are improving with each passing day as is Rhymes. Time will tell, but we definitely don't need to trade for a 2B, especially if they can sub in Of, 3B, and hopefully SS.
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written by Ron1, August 01, 2010
Nice to give up on Sizemore so quickly Stephen. While Rhymes is looking good so far, there is no reason for Sizemore to be at the bottom of your depth chart. Justin Henry will not play in the big leagues. I don't care what his Toledo numbers are after 30 at bats. Tell me how he is playing after 200 at bats and we will know if there is actual improvement. How can Brandon Douglas be ahead of Sizemore when they are the same age and Douglas just got promoted to Erie? Factor in how he can't stay healthy and I doubt that he will ever turn into more than a utility player.
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written by stephen grosberg, August 03, 2010
Stats will tell the story. Henry was a hitter at lower levels. I've always liked his BB vs. K, the same as Rhymes. That's why I got turned off to Dlugach. We won't know till they get there. Fortunately they're getting there faster since we started pushing it. Look at Weinhardt, 18 strikes vs. 3 balls tonight. I'm proud of the way the Tigers are taking advantage of their opportunities. The fun will really begin in Sep. when they all can come up. In my opinion, other than Turner, any 40 man who doesn't come up should be replaced on the 40 man by someone who will be brought up.
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written by MattinToledo, August 03, 2010
I don't really think the Tigers have much choice in pushing it. Guys have gone down and the holes have had to be filled.

As for tinkering with the 40-man, I think we've covered before that there is no reason to add a player to the 40-man roster unless you a) have to in order to avoid losing him or b) have to because he's kicking down the door to the majors. The former isn't possible in the midst of the season and nobody in the system is doing the latter.
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written by stephen grosberg, August 04, 2010
I would look to the end of the season for the new players who will be needed to protect like I think L. J. Gagnier, Brayan Villarreal, Charlie Furbush, Zach Simons, and Andy Dirks and cut now to poss. bring them up in Sep. The 40 man players that I would bring up are: Alfredo Figarp, Andrew Oliver, Daniel Schlereth, Scott Sizemore, Ryan Strieby, and Casper Wells. Audy Ciriaco, Brent Dlugach, Fu-Te Ni, Jay Sborz can be taken off to make room for the list beginning with Gagnier. Casper Wells is the swing guy. Giving up a nothing player to get Ben Jones as a filler to find his game at Erie is OK if you don't have to put him on the 40 man at the end of the season. Congrats to the Tigers for signing undrafted Jeff Barfield, Tim Mowry, Dan Gentzler, and Ryan Enos. They all have a long shot to make it at no cost because stats will guide starting at the bottom. That's the BEST risk-reward. Remind Mark A. of his prediction that Andy Dirks wouldn't see Erie last year. I was wrong with Wyatt and Peter, but I'd rather be right with 1 poss. major leaguer.
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written by stephen grosberg, August 24, 2010
Now might be a good time to update with the great improvement Rhymes and Brandon Douglas. Douglas could be a Don Kelly who hits if they tried him in the OF. For a player, who some said didn't drive the ball, look at his slugging average.Since BB vs. K is too often overlooked, look at Rhymes and Douglas.

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